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  • Date: 6 June - 25 August 1944
  • Location: Normandy, France
  • Campaign: Second World War (1939-45)
  • Combatants: An alliance of USA, Canada and the British Empire against Germany
  • Protagonists: Generals Dwight D Eisenhower and Sir Bernard Montgomery; Field Marshals Gerd von Runstedt and Erwin Rommel
  • Outcome: Allied victory

9 comments

ta152c
6 March 2013, 2.22pm

No mention of Arnhem? Surely

No mention of Arnhem? Surely it deserves a mention, as does Cambrai?

Bernhard Klapdor
2 March 2013, 4.03am

Robin, at Kursk the German HQ

Robin, at Kursk the German HQ ended assaults, when seeing no more chance of breaking thru. It was harsh losses on both sides but no devastating finish. But operative chance went off and that was important to the ongoings. For all allies. Remarkable, the Soviets calculated a 8 : 1 relation concerning tanks. The US 5 : 1. That may show the thread by 1943. Apparently Kursk isn't British.

Just to refer to nuclear weapons I think you may allow yourself to get slightly informed somewhat aside the mainstreams. Perhaps it will catch your interrest. A4/ A10. How close it was within the last 14 days of the war. Jonastal, Kammler.

By 1938 petrol was derived from black coal, by 1942 spare-butter was made from coal (awful taste but substantial), by 1943 aviation and rocket petrol was produced massively without depending on foreign means. The MG 42 threw a 1,500 rounds a minute, the Sturmgewehr 44 since 1943 (basic for AK47, G36) was an allweatherproofed 30 rounds-magazine automatic gun with a 400 meter marksmanship (not sharpshooters!) in combat, firing burst or single shot alternatively (wasn't handed out to the troops in masses for fear of costs). GPS by 1943 - Nachtjäger. By end of 1944 3 unarmoured long-distance test-rockets into the Atlantic Ocean (6.000 km range), one more seemed to be nuclear equipped exploding 20 miles off from NY (Newspaper announcements NY and Boston Jan. 1945). 5 further rockets with conventional HE beyond river Tobol (Russian armaments industry) was confirmed in 1952 by the Soviets. By 1945 four Tiger II blew 16 Sherman Tanks within 2 minutes from a 4-kilometer-distance with 128 mm guns. Bang after explosion, rarely fumes. Finally there were three Nuclear bombs being thrown onto Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Two on 6th Aug. the Nagasaki failed and was repeated on 9th Aug. The unexploded was handed out by Japan to the Soviets on 27th Aug. as the records say. Those three pieces were taken from Jonastal/ Thüringen in April 1945 (16th?) and brought to the US. In 2005 Los Alamos showed a model in 1:1 seize at an exposition. The type was recognized by an former German worker of Jonastal living then in the US. The model was immediately dropped off the exposition. The last radio-GPS-Stations of the Wehrmacht on Grönland and Labrador were captured in the late 40ies and early 50ies!

14 days prior to the end of the war Hans Kammler (SS-General and chief of S4) and Albert Speer (Rüstungsminister then) refused to Hitler launching nuclearly loaded rockets. Jonastal-region wasn't the only launch-pad. Kammler and Speer feared Germany being bombed back into Stone Age. What wasn't even much further at that moment. But they refused strictly to Hitler.

Believe that Wernher von Braun was second row of engineers at that time refferring to rocket propulsion and design. All that what was designed by physicians isn't yet mentioned. Most of that things working worldwidely today had almost been developed by 45.

It was at last a two weeks race. And the only answer was increasing bombing-power. It interrupted traffic. Material and petrol wasn't short but unobtainable in many cases.

By 1943 the SHAEF was errected when suddenly evidences about German "Wunderwaffen" were taken seriously. Fritz Kolbe revealed lots of details to Allan Welsh Dulles then Chief of OSS in Switzerland. Til 1943 the supreme allied commanders ignored Kolbe and Dulles (later CIA Director who hindered investigation on JFK's assassination) as freaks. The second front was installed then hastily.

And a miracle to D-Day is still the absentness of German units (Tanks and Specials) who were massed in proper distance and that "not reacting as normal" within the first hours under those oftenly expirienced circumstances. As if there was a wider plan.

D-Day was again a great bloodshed and all those numbers and details that we learned from schoolbooks make us drifting along and losing contact to the ongoings behind the scenes. I think the more we all know about them the closer we will come together. Perhaps a sudden enlightment will let us learn something about us normal people in England, Germany, France and elsewhere. Normal people share the same daily life, sorrows, joys and mourning about losses. Could it be that the people who are in charge -much higher than an army general- urging us to understand their way? Although they meet and laugh together and become more and more powerful and we are becomming more and more supervised?

I think if it ist obvious that Merkel and Obama trying to build a stronghold of US and EU what joke is the Cameron proposal of British referendum to quit the EU in 2018? Why not this month guys?
Here you stand proud and brave, don't let us talk about long gone battles. Whatever they did work for it wasn't for the benefit of the dead and the humilated and certainly not for the remaining living people. Convince Cameron to take your side and vote soon. The German has been diseducated for a 70 years turn, what a challenge!

What different thinking brought WW I and II to the people? If I read all the comments I can surely say: not a single commata!

One thing on politics: Britain was the second loser to the wars of 14/18 and 39/45. The last war isn't finished yet, the world is still at war as long as there's no peace treaty to Germany refferring to SHAEF laws. Which is undoubtedly chartered in the UN clauses, too!

When Lend & Lease was enacted it meant financial and economical ruin to the British Empire. As well as WW I's yield was dramatically shown by the loans Britain has to pay off to the WIB since 1919. And thus despite all options laid open to Britain. Sorry, I forgot, we the normal people have nothing to take than blood, sweat and tears - the only option for us. So you see, we've got our best in common. If soldier or burger. Even Human. You in Britain, we in Germany and I am sure - everywhere else. Vote: no! Vote soon!

Forgive me disturbing you that long! I promise improvement!

paul turner
28 February 2013, 12.51pm

D day and normandy was the

D day and normandy was the pivotal battle of ww2 if the allies had failed it is likely with german scientists many years in advance in many fields that we would never retaken western europe and the freeing of so many divisions would have at least halted the russians we have to remember although germany was behind in the atomic race in conventional fields staggeringly advanced missiles. Guided missiles, jets machine guns. tanks never had one battle speeded the end of a horrible future

Edward Piper
15 February 2013, 12.09pm

I think that the Normandy

I think that the Normandy landing was the begining of the end of the Axis powers. If we had invaded France iat the Pas de Calais it would probably been a failure. Therefore I believe that the battle for Normandy was one of our most important battles because if the Hitler had invaded in us in 1940 when he wanted to we would have definately lost!!

iwojima21945@ho...
13 February 2013, 7.32am

Normandy, I have some 80

Normandy, I have some 80 books on the subject and have visited the landing beaches a number of times. Overlord was a great help to the Russians as the Germans moved a number of divisions to France before and after the landings. I will be in Normandy again in June 2014. When Manfred Rommel was the mayor of Stuttgart he and I corresponded a number of times.

Justjonny
8 February 2013, 12.46am

I agree on some points of

I agree on some points of Ronald Hanson's comment. If the landing was a failure, the Germans could have potentially unleashed a new offensive on the Russians, possibly turning the tide, but only for a short while. If d day had failed though I think the most likely outcome would either be the soviets and nazis reaching an armistice, or the Russians pushing all the way to Paris, leaving the uk in a very dangerous position with a communist mainland Europe. With the success of d day, the British were able to maintain their diplomatic status as one of the big 3 and were not excluded from the discussions of post war Europe thus making it a most important battle for the British.

Ronald Hanson
3 February 2013, 6.16pm

My main comment is that the

My main comment is that the important thing about this battle is that it was successful. The threat of invasion from the west kept 168 German divisions in France to counter an invasion. If the Normandy invasion and the ensuing battle had not been a success there would have been no chance of another for many years and most of these divisions could have been moved to the Russian front with who knows what consequence. I am convinced that had Hitler had another year to develop his high tech weapons, including nuclear weapons, the tide of war could have been turned to Germany's advantage and it was only when the industrial capacity of Germany and the development and launching sites of these weapons were being over-run by the western allies that such a threat came to an end. Had most of the other battles named, although an important part of British history, had been lost there still would not have been a real threat to the British mainland.

Ashley
2 February 2013, 11.09pm

The landing turned the tide

The landing turned the tide of the war.

ROBIN SCOTTER
31 January 2013, 4.47pm

To me the battle of Normandy

To me the battle of Normandy is the greatest battle and next to that the battle of Kirsk when the Russions just about finished the German Army off. Great shame the battle of Kirsk is not mentioned.

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